Hawaii ISP discussion?

I'm not sure. In the past I had Oceanic, but later switched to Verizon
which became Hawaiian Telcom. I have AT&T dial-up, which I keep because my
e-mail has been with them for about a decade and my webpages have been on
AT&T for a little over 8 years. The other member of the household still has
Oceanic Time-Warner broadband and when I use her computer, I'm dumbfounded
at how much slower Oceanic is compared to Hawaiian Telcom ADSL. It is
frequently slower than my dial-up which I'm lucky to get 48 kbs. I've
worked in 2 locations on Oahu where my employers had Oceanic cable, and
again in both locations, it was just as slow or slower than dial-up. At one
time my dial-up averaged 52-3 kbs and then was much faster than Oceanic's
DSL at my employers venues. And a friend of mine had Oceanic for years and
after a dispute with them, switched to Hawaiian Telcom (actually, it was
still Verizon then) and was very pleasantly surprised at how much faster his
new service was compared to Oceanic. Then I have other friends who are very
satisfied with Oceanic and say it is very fast and they have no complaints.
So, I guess it depends on where you live and how much traffic is on the
local cable. As you probably know, heavy traffic on cable will really slow
the network down, where that is not the case with Hawaiian Telcom DSL. I'll
advocate Hawaiian Telcom over Oceanic and the monthly charges are less. KM

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Post by Bueller555
Chatter here has died almost completely. Where else can I go to
futilely discuss the only choices, Oceanic and Hawaiian Tel?

Nai`a

2006-07-06 18:27:47 UTC

Post by Bueller555
Chatter here has died almost completely. Where else can I go to
futilely discuss the only choices, Oceanic and Hawaiian Tel?

Technically, this newsgroup isn't for discussing the various merits of
either of those two choices, or others you might have.

It's for discussions between the ISPs themselves.

Just FYI.

Aloha mai Nai`a!

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Noe Schitt

2006-07-06 19:25:17 UTC

Post by Bueller555
Chatter here has died almost completely. Where else can I go to
futilely discuss the only choices, Oceanic and Hawaiian Tel?

Technically, this newsgroup isn't for discussing the various merits of
either of those two choices, or others you might have.
It's for discussions between the ISPs themselves.
Just FYI.
Aloha mai Nai`a!

Technically, if a newsgroup is not active at the present moment,
inquires on any subject within the guidelines should be welcomed.

Just FYFI, fatboy.

Bueller555

2006-07-06 23:38:21 UTC

I'm surprised to see responses here. So that I don't violate the
guidelines, is there a list of local ISPs? I remember that the
Hawaiian Hard Drive publication used to have a list, but I haven't
stepped inside of a CompUSA in a long time. Is it still true that no
matter what ISP you select for DSL, you're getting Verizon/Hawaiian
Telcom service?

I went from dial-up (Hawaii Online) to Roadrunner. In Pearl City,
stuff would slow to a crawl at about 8 p.m. when I assume all the kids
began jumping online. I had the same experience where I felt that
dial-up would have been faster at those times. Over the next few weeks
and months, the speed issue got significantly better. I moved to DSL
with Verizon due to cost ($45 per mo. vs. $30). While more speed is
always nice, the DSL speed is more than adequate for my needs.

Today, I feel like the modern version of the hunter, chicken, fox, and
grain puzzle. I'm trying to figure out a way to drop my land line. I
want to port my home number to my cell phone. I rarely use the land
line, but I have my DSL and home security monitoring using the land
line. I could switch everything to Oceanic, but I'd like to later
switch to Directv for the lower cost and drop my analog Oceanic cable
service. Any ideas?

Alohacyberian

2006-07-07 06:26:42 UTC

Post by Bueller555
I'm surprised to see responses here. So that I don't violate the
guidelines, is there a list of local ISPs? I remember that the
Hawaiian Hard Drive publication used to have a list, but I haven't
stepped inside of a CompUSA in a long time. Is it still true that no
matter what ISP you select for DSL, you're getting Verizon/Hawaiian
Telcom service?
I went from dial-up (Hawaii Online) to Roadrunner. In Pearl City,
stuff would slow to a crawl at about 8 p.m. when I assume all the kids
began jumping online. I had the same experience where I felt that
dial-up would have been faster at those times. Over the next few weeks
and months, the speed issue got significantly better. I moved to DSL
with Verizon due to cost ($45 per mo. vs. $30). While more speed is
always nice, the DSL speed is more than adequate for my needs.
Today, I feel like the modern version of the hunter, chicken, fox, and
grain puzzle. I'm trying to figure out a way to drop my land line. I
want to port my home number to my cell phone. I rarely use the land
line, but I have my DSL and home security monitoring using the land
line. I could switch everything to Oceanic, but I'd like to later
switch to Directv for the lower cost and drop my analog Oceanic cable
service. Any ideas?

I'd stick with Hawaiian Telcom's DSL and pay the extra $. I personally use
Hawaiian Telcom DSL and my roommate uses Oceanic Roadrunner. I have kept my
AT&T dialup because I have webpages with AT&T, but also so that I won't have
to change my long standing e-mail addresses with AT&T dialup. I'm not
kidding when I say that frequently my dial-up is faster than the Roadrunner
in our house and the Roadrunner I have had at several jobsites. Personally,
I'm willing to pay more for Hawaiian Telcom DSL & AT&T dialup than the
aggravation of over-rated, over-blown Roadrunner. However, I do have
friends who swear by Roadrunner and have no complaints. They might be more
patient than I am. ;-) KM

HiloHaole

2006-07-07 13:29:10 UTC

Post by Alohacyberian
I'd stick with Hawaiian Telcom's DSL and pay the extra $. I personally
use Hawaiian Telcom DSL and my roommate uses Oceanic Roadrunner. I have
kept my AT&T dialup because I have webpages with AT&T, but also so that I
won't have to change my long standing e-mail addresses with AT&T dialup.
I'm not kidding when I say that frequently my dial-up is faster than the
Roadrunner in our house and the Roadrunner I have had at several jobsites.
Personally, I'm willing to pay more for Hawaiian Telcom DSL & AT&T dialup
than the aggravation of over-rated, over-blown Roadrunner. However, I do
have friends who swear by Roadrunner and have no complaints. They might
be more patient than I am. ;-) KM
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I had Oceanic RoadRunner on the Big Island and it was pretty slow. It
depends on the quality of wiring and connections and, probably, cable paths
aren't maintained as well as the telephone paths. In East Hawaii, there's
deterioration of the wiring because of corrosion. The cable company had to
put an upload amplifier on my wiring. I noticed that their was a lot of
retransmissions on the download because of the weak signal. That slowed my
connection considerably.

Jason Forester

2006-07-07 18:50:30 UTC

Post by HiloHaole
I had Oceanic RoadRunner on the Big Island and it was pretty slow. It
depends on the quality of wiring and connections and, probably, cable paths
aren't maintained as well as the telephone paths. In East Hawaii, there's
deterioration of the wiring because of corrosion. The cable company had to
put an upload amplifier on my wiring. I noticed that their was a lot of
retransmissions on the download because of the weak signal. That slowed my
connection considerably.

I live in Hilo now, and have the setup the original poster described - no
traditional phone service, just a cellphone and cable modem. I did end
up getting Vonage for the unlimited long distance and because cell reception
is pretty bad in Hilo, but that wouldn't be necessary with the right cell
plan on Oahu.

That said, I had to do a great deal of work with the Time Warner people to
get my connection up to speed. I would have preferred DSL but HawTel
can't get DSL to my place (which is right by the airport, so go figure).
So I had to basically monitor my line, find the source of the packetloss,
and open tickets until they fixed it. They finally did, and I get solid
1.5mbit down and roughly 384k up.

A lot of people think that the 'shared' cable infrastructure is to blame
for slowness, but in my experience it's usually poor wiring and so forth
more than shared links. YMMV.

On Oahu I'm still a Lava.net DSL customer. HawTel provides the local loop
but all the internet connectivity (and services) are provided by Lava.
I much prefer that setup, due to Lava's high reliability and quality
support. I had to work from home for several years over Lava, and not
once was I unable to connect in all that time. They're a great shop.

Anyway, if you want to get the most bang for your buck, get a cable modem.
If consistent quality matters, get DSL. And if you need REALLY good net
get DSL from a third party like Lava.

My $0.02,

- jason

MacClanahan

2006-07-10 15:45:21 UTC

Post by Alohacyberian

I live on Maui and have had RoadRunner/Earthlink Cable for 6 years now.

I have never experienced the slowdowns that is reported by others.

My speeds are measured frequently:
Here is what I am getting right now.

TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.3.3a
click START to begin
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 418.61Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 4.86Mb/s
Your Workstation is connected to a Cable/DSL modem

click START to re-test
I ran the test at, http://farnsworth.uhnet.net:7123/
Even if I use DSL reports or whatever it is called now, I get similar
results.

I have lots of friends with DSL and they never get close to my numbers
here on Maui.

HiloHaole

2006-07-10 16:00:52 UTC

Post by MacClanahan
I live on Maui and have had RoadRunner/Earthlink Cable for 6 years now.
I have never experienced the slowdowns that is reported by others.
Here is what I am getting right now.
TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.3.3a
click START to begin
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 418.61Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 4.86Mb/s
Your Workstation is connected to a Cable/DSL modem
click START to re-test
I ran the test at, http://farnsworth.uhnet.net:7123/
Even if I use DSL reports or whatever it is called now, I get similar
results.
I have lots of friends with DSL and they never get close to my numbers
here on Maui.

Here's a good article comparing DSL to Cable Modem.
http://wireless.about.com/od/dslvscablemodem/a/speedcompare.htm

Jason Forester

2006-07-10 23:18:12 UTC

Post by MacClanahan
I live on Maui and have had RoadRunner/Earthlink Cable for 6 years now.
I have never experienced the slowdowns that is reported by others.

<snip>

Post by MacClanahan
I have lots of friends with DSL and they never get close to my numbers
here on Maui.

Yeah, you're not going to see 400 KBytes/sec from most DSL, as it's
sold as 1.5 Mbit/sec (about 200 kBytes/sec) downstream, 384k up.
The DSL line is then limited at the speed you purchase.

Cable isn't sold that way, they give you the wire and say it will
be 'fast'. Certainly the potential for speeds higher than 'standard'
DSL exist. However, there are now higher speeds of DSL available, of
course for more money, that can even double the speeds you're seeing
on cable.

So here's the big summary:

- You have your choice of monopoly
- They're more or less equivalent
- To get anything other than crappy monopoly service, you have
to pay extra.

If the quality of your net matters, I suggest lava.net. If not,
get whatever floats your boat.

- jason

--
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Network Performance Engineer

Kirk

2006-07-11 00:26:10 UTC

Post by Jason Forester

Post by MacClanahan
I live on Maui and have had RoadRunner/Earthlink Cable for 6 years now.
I have never experienced the slowdowns that is reported by others.

<snip>

Post by MacClanahan
I have lots of friends with DSL and they never get close to my numbers
here on Maui.

Yeah, you're not going to see 400 KBytes/sec from most DSL, as it's
sold as 1.5 Mbit/sec (about 200 kBytes/sec) downstream, 384k up.
The DSL line is then limited at the speed you purchase.
Cable isn't sold that way, they give you the wire and say it will
be 'fast'. Certainly the potential for speeds higher than 'standard'
DSL exist. However, there are now higher speeds of DSL available, of
course for more money, that can even double the speeds you're seeing
on cable.
- You have your choice of monopoly
- They're more or less equivalent
- To get anything other than crappy monopoly service, you have
to pay extra.
If the quality of your net matters, I suggest lava.net. If not,
get whatever floats your boat.

And I would also suggest lava.net to a person who should be donating
their all of their money to charity and have Rocks rattling around in
their skull.

"So here's the big summary" and reasons that Lava.net is the worst
company to purchase access from and should be selling Snake Oil at the
corner of Smith and Maunakea Street:

- a 60.00 activation fee
- Sign yer life away with a One Year contract
- A monthly fee of 68.75 after the first three months for a lousy 3mbps
connection that is capped at 5GB of transfer and if a person
downloads more than that, additional charges will apply.

Lava.net is nickel and diming their customers by charging:

- a monthly fee of 31.25 to resell the services Hawaii Telcom, in
addition to the standard fee of 37.50 that any idiot can qualify for if
they have enough common sense to purchase a contract directly from
Hawaii Telcom.

For a grand total of $68.75.

haveaniceday.

NoNoBadDog!

2006-07-17 10:56:39 UTC

Can you then explain to me how I am getting 3 MBps on my HawTel 3 MBps line?

In addition, you Cable Modem is capped. The speeds that RR advertises are
at the head end, and co not account for overhead, signal loss due to cable
length, and number of users online.

I have had both RR and DSL. The DSL *IS* faster, and is a consistent speed
all the time, as opposed to RR dropping during peak hours. Would you buy a
car that advertised 35 MPG but then delivered only 15MPG during rush hour?
That is waht you get with RR.

RR is not faster, has questionable marketing, and goes out when the power
goes out. With my DSL modem and router attached to a battery backup/UPS, I
can surf the web on my laptop when the power is out...try that with cable
RR.

Bobby

Post by Jason Forester

Post by MacClanahan
I live on Maui and have had RoadRunner/Earthlink Cable for 6 years now.
I have never experienced the slowdowns that is reported by others.

<snip>

Post by MacClanahan
I have lots of friends with DSL and they never get close to my numbers
here on Maui.

Yeah, you're not going to see 400 KBytes/sec from most DSL, as it's
sold as 1.5 Mbit/sec (about 200 kBytes/sec) downstream, 384k up.
The DSL line is then limited at the speed you purchase.
Cable isn't sold that way, they give you the wire and say it will
be 'fast'. Certainly the potential for speeds higher than 'standard'
DSL exist. However, there are now higher speeds of DSL available, of
course for more money, that can even double the speeds you're seeing
on cable.
- You have your choice of monopoly
- They're more or less equivalent
- To get anything other than crappy monopoly service, you have
to pay extra.
If the quality of your net matters, I suggest lava.net. If not,
get whatever floats your boat.
- jason
--
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Network Performance Engineer

Nai`a

2006-07-17 18:35:11 UTC

Post by NoNoBadDog!
Can you then explain to me how I am getting 3 MBps on my HawTel 3 MBps line?

Probably because Jason has momentarily forgotten about the latest
sweet 3000x768 speed package. :) Or some such.

Aloha mai Nai`a!

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John Doe

2006-07-17 19:06:36 UTC

Post by NoNoBadDog!
Can you then explain to me how I am getting 3 MBps on my HawTel 3 MBps line?

Probably because Jason has momentarily forgotten about the latest
sweet 3000x768 speed package. :) Or some such.
Aloha mai Nai`a!

Hey where can I get that.

Nai`a

2006-07-17 20:37:30 UTC

Post by John Doe

Post by NoNoBadDog!
Can you then explain to me how I am getting 3 MBps on my HawTel 3 MBps line?

Probably because Jason has momentarily forgotten about the latest
sweet 3000x768 speed package. :) Or some such.

Hey where can I get that.

Well... Hawaiian TelCom sells it, obviously.

We sell it... it's pretty much our standard offering these days, if the
line supports it.

Aloha mai Nai`a!

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Elmer Tiberius Fudd

2006-07-18 05:39:30 UTC

Post by Nai`a
sweet 3000x768 speed package. :) Or some such.

Well... Hawaiian TelCom sells it, obviously.
We sell it... it's pretty much our standard offering these days, if the
line supports it.

And it totally rocks! Been using it for a year now. Sorry if the
attributions are screwy.

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Kirk

2006-07-07 19:14:49 UTC

Never had any problems maxing out a connection with RoadRunner.
It seems that the other people who have replied to this thread are
experiencing difficulties because they are unable to accomplish a
simple task that involves some verbal interaction with technical
support department and a request of assistance.

Whining about a lousy connection that is slower than dialup might be
the highlight of their miserable day.

Here is a testament to download speed with RoadRunner and please take
notice of November 2005 through January 2006:

DU Meter Monthly Report

Period (Month) Download Upload Both Directions
May 2005 44.05 MB 63.54 MB 107.59 MB
June 2005 93.41 GB 7.63 GB 101.04 GB
July 2005 153.31 GB 5.87 GB 159.18 GB
August 2005 95.38 GB 3.79 GB 99.17 GB
September 2005 12.91 GB 531.53 MB 13.43 GB
October 2005 144.43 GB 6.42 GB 150.85 GB
November 2005 265.18 GB 10.48 GB 275.66 GB
December 2005 279.33 GB 10.66 GB 290.00 GB
January 2006 212.63 GB 7.88 GB 220.51 GB
February 2006 87.35 GB 3.66 GB 91.02 GB
March 2006 130.81 GB 4.78 GB 135.59 GB
April 2006 104.76 GB 4.15 GB 108.91 GB
May 2006 163.36 GB 6.26 GB 169.62 GB
June 2006 124.74 GB 4.92 GB 129.66 GB

haveaniceday.

NoNoBadDog!

2006-07-08 01:43:03 UTC

Never had any problems maxing out a connection with RoadRunner.
It seems that the other people who have replied to this thread are
experiencing difficulties because they are unable to accomplish a
simple task that involves some verbal interaction with technical
support department and a request of assistance.
Whining about a lousy connection that is slower than dialup might be
the highlight of their miserable day.
Here is a testament to download speed with RoadRunner and please take
DU Meter Monthly Report
Period (Month) Download Upload Both Directions
May 2005 44.05 MB 63.54 MB 107.59 MB
June 2005 93.41 GB 7.63 GB 101.04 GB
July 2005 153.31 GB 5.87 GB 159.18 GB
August 2005 95.38 GB 3.79 GB 99.17 GB
September 2005 12.91 GB 531.53 MB 13.43 GB
October 2005 144.43 GB 6.42 GB 150.85 GB
November 2005 265.18 GB 10.48 GB 275.66 GB
December 2005 279.33 GB 10.66 GB 290.00 GB
January 2006 212.63 GB 7.88 GB 220.51 GB
February 2006 87.35 GB 3.66 GB 91.02 GB
March 2006 130.81 GB 4.78 GB 135.59 GB
April 2006 104.76 GB 4.15 GB 108.91 GB
May 2006 163.36 GB 6.26 GB 169.62 GB
June 2006 124.74 GB 4.92 GB 129.66 GB
haveaniceday.

You are lucky. You are also a distinct minority. Roadrunner is well blow
par on most areas of the Island, and that is after tweaks and all the
discussions you care to have with their support department.

All things considered, DSL is a far better value than Roadrunner.

Bobby

Alohacyberian

2006-07-08 02:24:26 UTC

Post by NoNoBadDog!

Never had any problems maxing out a connection with RoadRunner.
It seems that the other people who have replied to this thread are
experiencing difficulties because they are unable to accomplish a
simple task that involves some verbal interaction with technical
support department and a request of assistance.
Whining about a lousy connection that is slower than dialup might be
the highlight of their miserable day.
Here is a testament to download speed with RoadRunner and please take
DU Meter Monthly Report
Period (Month) Download Upload Both Directions
May 2005 44.05 MB 63.54 MB 107.59 MB
June 2005 93.41 GB 7.63 GB 101.04 GB
July 2005 153.31 GB 5.87 GB 159.18 GB
August 2005 95.38 GB 3.79 GB 99.17 GB
September 2005 12.91 GB 531.53 MB 13.43 GB
October 2005 144.43 GB 6.42 GB 150.85 GB
November 2005 265.18 GB 10.48 GB 275.66 GB
December 2005 279.33 GB 10.66 GB 290.00 GB
January 2006 212.63 GB 7.88 GB 220.51 GB
February 2006 87.35 GB 3.66 GB 91.02 GB
March 2006 130.81 GB 4.78 GB 135.59 GB
April 2006 104.76 GB 4.15 GB 108.91 GB
May 2006 163.36 GB 6.26 GB 169.62 GB
June 2006 124.74 GB 4.92 GB 129.66 GB
haveaniceday.

You are lucky. You are also a distinct minority. Roadrunner is well blow
par on most areas of the Island, and that is after tweaks and all the
discussions you care to have with their support department.
All things considered, DSL is a far better value than Roadrunner.
Bobby

I'll second the motion and the previous propaganda probably came from
someone who works for Roadrunner. KM

Kirk

2006-07-08 03:09:55 UTC

Post by NoNoBadDog!

Never had any problems maxing out a connection with RoadRunner.
It seems that the other people who have replied to this thread are
experiencing difficulties because they are unable to accomplish a
simple task that involves some verbal interaction with technical
support department and a request of assistance.
Whining about a lousy connection that is slower than dialup might be
the highlight of their miserable day.
Here is a testament to download speed with RoadRunner and please take
DU Meter Monthly Report
Period (Month) Download Upload Both Directions
May 2005 44.05 MB 63.54 MB 107.59 MB
June 2005 93.41 GB 7.63 GB 101.04 GB
July 2005 153.31 GB 5.87 GB 159.18 GB
August 2005 95.38 GB 3.79 GB 99.17 GB
September 2005 12.91 GB 531.53 MB 13.43 GB
October 2005 144.43 GB 6.42 GB 150.85 GB
November 2005 265.18 GB 10.48 GB 275.66 GB
December 2005 279.33 GB 10.66 GB 290.00 GB
January 2006 212.63 GB 7.88 GB 220.51 GB
February 2006 87.35 GB 3.66 GB 91.02 GB
March 2006 130.81 GB 4.78 GB 135.59 GB
April 2006 104.76 GB 4.15 GB 108.91 GB
May 2006 163.36 GB 6.26 GB 169.62 GB
June 2006 124.74 GB 4.92 GB 129.66 GB
haveaniceday.

You are lucky. You are also a distinct minority. Roadrunner is well blow
par on most areas of the Island, and that is after tweaks and all the
discussions you care to have with their support department.
All things considered, DSL is a far better value than Roadrunner.
Bobby

The reason that should be quite evident is that I live in a district
which commands and requires the best service that Oceanic can offer.

Step into another persona and view this issue from a standpoint
which involves a simple concept called marketing; It all dwindles
down to a matter of pleasing affluent clients and ignoring the
concerns of riffraff [country bumpkins] that happen to reside beyond
the Bright City Lights.

NoNoBadDog!

2006-07-08 05:33:59 UTC

Post by NoNoBadDog!

Never had any problems maxing out a connection with RoadRunner.
It seems that the other people who have replied to this thread are
experiencing difficulties because they are unable to accomplish a
simple task that involves some verbal interaction with technical
support department and a request of assistance.
Whining about a lousy connection that is slower than dialup might be
the highlight of their miserable day.
Here is a testament to download speed with RoadRunner and please take
DU Meter Monthly Report
Period (Month) Download Upload Both Directions
May 2005 44.05 MB 63.54 MB 107.59 MB
June 2005 93.41 GB 7.63 GB 101.04 GB
July 2005 153.31 GB 5.87 GB 159.18 GB
August 2005 95.38 GB 3.79 GB 99.17 GB
September 2005 12.91 GB 531.53 MB 13.43 GB
October 2005 144.43 GB 6.42 GB 150.85 GB
November 2005 265.18 GB 10.48 GB 275.66 GB
December 2005 279.33 GB 10.66 GB 290.00 GB
January 2006 212.63 GB 7.88 GB 220.51 GB
February 2006 87.35 GB 3.66 GB 91.02 GB
March 2006 130.81 GB 4.78 GB 135.59 GB
April 2006 104.76 GB 4.15 GB 108.91 GB
May 2006 163.36 GB 6.26 GB 169.62 GB
June 2006 124.74 GB 4.92 GB 129.66 GB
haveaniceday.

You are lucky. You are also a distinct minority. Roadrunner is well blow
par on most areas of the Island, and that is after tweaks and all the
discussions you care to have with their support department.
All things considered, DSL is a far better value than Roadrunner.
Bobby

The reason that should be quite evident is that I live in a district
which commands and requires the best service that Oceanic can offer.
Step into another persona and view this issue from a standpoint
which involves a simple concept called marketing; It all dwindles
down to a matter of pleasing affluent clients and ignoring the
concerns of riffraff [country bumpkins] that happen to reside beyond
the Bright City Lights.

Another reason to shun Roadrunner.

I live comfortably, although I am not rich. I do know how to spend my money
wisely.
When I considered the fact that Roadrunner's speed varies with the number of
users online in your node, I realized right away that it was a bad deal.

Would you buy a car that got 35mpg at 3:00 AM, but only got 9mpg during the
hours from 8:00 AM and 10:00 PM? So why should I settle for an ISP/Service
that is going to be slowest when *I* use it?

With my 3MBps DSL, I get that speed (actually faster, since I live very
close to the front office), and I get it *ALL THE TIME*. I don't have
fluctuations in speed. So I get what I *PAY FOR* 24/7.

Bobby

Dan Birchall

2006-07-08 23:01:28 UTC

Post by Kirk
Here is a testament to download speed with RoadRunner and please take

[snip]

Post by Kirk
Period (Month) Download Upload Both Directions

[snip]

Post by Kirk
December 2005 279.33 GB 10.66 GB 290.00 GB

[snip]

Hmmm, okay... let's see... I'll give the benefit of the doubt and do
the math with 1GB as 1024^3 bytes, not 1000^3... and I'll figure there
are still 8 bits in a byte. And of course, December had 31 days, each
with 24 hours containing 3600 seconds each.

So... you uploaded about 2,399,426,430,000 _bits_ and downloaded about
91,568,702,800 _bits_ over a period of 2,678,400 _seconds_.

That yields an average download speed of 895,843 _bits per second_
(about 875 kbps) and an average upload speed of 34,188 _bits per second)
(about 33 kbps).

The amount of data you downloaded in one month is, of course, quite
impressive. But the rates your numbers actually average out to...
interesting testament.

I'm unsure what we're supposed to make of RoadRunner giving you sustained
average rates of 875kbps down and 33kbps up. ;)

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surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90
million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some
indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be..." - Douglas Adams

Kirk

2006-07-08 23:59:21 UTC

Post by Dan Birchall

Post by Kirk
Here is a testament to download speed with RoadRunner and please take

[snip]

Post by Kirk
Period (Month) Download Upload Both Directions

[snip]

Post by Kirk
December 2005 279.33 GB 10.66 GB 290.00 GB

[snip]
Hmmm, okay... let's see... I'll give the benefit of the doubt and do
the math with 1GB as 1024^3 bytes, not 1000^3... and I'll figure there
are still 8 bits in a byte. And of course, December had 31 days, each
with 24 hours containing 3600 seconds each.
So... you uploaded about 2,399,426,430,000 _bits_ and downloaded about
91,568,702,800 _bits_ over a period of 2,678,400 _seconds_.
That yields an average download speed of 895,843 _bits per second_
(about 875 kbps) and an average upload speed of 34,188 _bits per second)
(about 33 kbps).
The amount of data you downloaded in one month is, of course, quite
impressive. But the rates your numbers actually average out to...
interesting testament.
I'm unsure what we're supposed to make of RoadRunner giving you sustained
average rates of 875kbps down and 33kbps up. ;)

Hmmm, okay... let's see...

So this Clown goes the extra mile and takes the added effort to prove
that he is hopelessly retarded by dividing the hours of each day, then
breaking them down into seconds to arrive at an figure that means
absolutely nothing.

I'll try to keep this Short & Sweet, peabrain.

Unlike the idiot who used his fingers and toes to formulate the average
rate of throughput in this reply and proudly display the results of his
miraculous brainstorming or Grand Contusion; I do not spend my life
staring into a monitor screen, nor have a computer logged on to a
server downloading binary attachments every second of each day.

If you think that everyone spends their life on the internet, as
evidenced by this reply. Please rush down to the nearest emergency room
and have that cable modem surgically removed from yer ass.

haveaniceday.

Alohacyberian

2006-07-09 04:18:46 UTC

Post by Kirk
So this Clown goes the extra mile and takes the added effort to prove
that he is hopelessly retarded by dividing the hours of each day, then
breaking them down into seconds to arrive at an figure that means
absolutely nothing.
I'll try to keep this Short & Sweet, peabrain.
Unlike the idiot who used his fingers and toes to formulate the average

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. KM

Dan Birchall

2006-07-10 06:46:24 UTC

Post by Dan Birchall

Post by Kirk
Here is a testament to download speed with RoadRunner and please take

[snip]

Post by Kirk
Period (Month) Download Upload Both Directions

[snip]

Post by Kirk
December 2005 279.33 GB 10.66 GB 290.00 GB

[snip]
The amount of data you downloaded in one month is, of course, quite
impressive. But the rates your numbers actually average out to...
interesting testament.
I'm unsure what we're supposed to make of RoadRunner giving you sustained
average rates of 875kbps down and 33kbps up. ;)

I do not spend my life staring into a monitor screen, nor have a
computer logged on to a server downloading binary attachments every
second of each day.

Nor, I suspect, do most of us. I personally download less than 1/7 that
amount in a typical month, and even if I left a peer-to-peer app running
24/7, I don't know if I could attain such lofty results.

That being said, like everyone else who's reading this thread, I fail to
see what the point of your "testament to download speed with RoadRunner"
_was_. I suspect you may have intended to demonstrate that they were
fast, or something, but if you're going to mock someone else for doing
the math and pointing out that the numbers don't particularly _do_ that,
maybe you can (after adjusting your vocabulary appropriately) put forth
a better way of contextualizing your numbers.

279.33 GB in a month can manifest itself as anywhere from 875kbps
sustained average to 2234gbps for one second, with downtime the remainder
of the month. Given that either end of that spectrum is equally
unlikely (or likely, if my own experience with RoadRunner's business
services is any indication), and there's no readily available mechanism
for us to guess where in the middle the truth lies, I don't really see
what the rest of us get from your precious numbers. :)

Unless you're just being a pseudonymous troll...

*plonk*

-D

Kirk

2006-07-10 08:02:20 UTC

Post by Dan Birchall

Post by Kirk
Here is a testament to download speed with RoadRunner and please take

[snip]

Post by Kirk
Period (Month) Download Upload Both Directions

[snip]

Post by Kirk
December 2005 279.33 GB 10.66 GB 290.00 GB

I do not spend my life staring into a monitor screen, nor have a
computer logged on to a server downloading binary attachments every
second of each day.

Nor, I suspect, do most of us. I personally download less than 1/7 that
amount in a typical month, and even if I left a peer-to-peer app running
24/7, I don't know if I could attain such lofty results.
That being said, like everyone else who's reading this thread, I fail to
see what the point of your "testament to download speed with RoadRunner"
_was_. I suspect you may have intended to demonstrate that they were
fast, or something, but if you're going to mock someone else for doing
the math and pointing out that the numbers don't particularly _do_ that,
maybe you can (after adjusting your vocabulary appropriately) put forth
a better way of contextualizing your numbers.
279.33 GB in a month can manifest itself as anywhere from 875kbps
sustained average to 2234gbps for one second, with downtime the remainder
of the month. Given that either end of that spectrum is equally
unlikely (or likely, if my own experience with RoadRunner's business
services is any indication), and there's no readily available mechanism
for us to guess where in the middle the truth lies, I don't really see
what the rest of us get from your precious numbers. :)
Unless you're just being a pseudonymous troll...
*plonk*

And the Pedantic Little Child returns with another reply, just to give
an impression of having the last word. Then runs and hides beneath
the comfort of a killfilter because his mathematical theories were
proven to be the ramblings of a complete idiot.

See ya later, Bitch.

haveaniceday.

Bueller555

2006-07-09 02:04:55 UTC

I don't know what the numbers represent, but here's the throughput that
I get with Hawaiian Telcom:

dslreports.com speed test result on 2006-07-08 21:58:53 EST:
1977 / 690
Your download speed : 1977 kbps or 247.1 KB/sec.
That is 119.9% better than an average user on hawaiiantel.net

Your upload speed : 690 kbps or 86.3 KB/sec.
That is 77.8% better than an average user on hawaiiantel.net

Speed is pretty consistent. I've never seen higher than 2 Mbps from
here, although others from the same zip code report up to 2.5 Mbps.

Never had any problems maxing out a connection with RoadRunner.
It seems that the other people who have replied to this thread are
experiencing difficulties because they are unable to accomplish a
simple task that involves some verbal interaction with technical
support department and a request of assistance.
Whining about a lousy connection that is slower than dialup might be
the highlight of their miserable day.
Here is a testament to download speed with RoadRunner and please take
DU Meter Monthly Report
Period (Month) Download Upload Both Directions
May 2005 44.05 MB 63.54 MB 107.59 MB
June 2005 93.41 GB 7.63 GB 101.04 GB
July 2005 153.31 GB 5.87 GB 159.18 GB
August 2005 95.38 GB 3.79 GB 99.17 GB
September 2005 12.91 GB 531.53 MB 13.43 GB
October 2005 144.43 GB 6.42 GB 150.85 GB
November 2005 265.18 GB 10.48 GB 275.66 GB
December 2005 279.33 GB 10.66 GB 290.00 GB
January 2006 212.63 GB 7.88 GB 220.51 GB
February 2006 87.35 GB 3.66 GB 91.02 GB
March 2006 130.81 GB 4.78 GB 135.59 GB
April 2006 104.76 GB 4.15 GB 108.91 GB
May 2006 163.36 GB 6.26 GB 169.62 GB
June 2006 124.74 GB 4.92 GB 129.66 GB
haveaniceday.

HiloHaole

2006-07-07 13:32:11 UTC

This NG is about "Hawaii Culture" and not "Hawaiian Culture." The Internet
influences the culture of Hawaii more than anything nowadays. As a
consequence, selection of an ISP in Hawaii is appropriate.

Post by Noe Schitt

Post by Bueller555
Chatter here has died almost completely. Where else can I go to
futilely discuss the only choices, Oceanic and Hawaiian Tel?

Technically, this newsgroup isn't for discussing the various merits of
either of those two choices, or others you might have.
It's for discussions between the ISPs themselves.
Just FYI.
Aloha mai Nai`a!

Technically, if a newsgroup is not active at the present moment,
inquires on any subject within the guidelines should be welcomed.
Just FYFI, fatboy.

Alohacyberian

2006-07-08 01:57:25 UTC

Post by Bueller555
Chatter here has died almost completely. Where else can I go to
futilely discuss the only choices, Oceanic and Hawaiian Tel?

Technically, this newsgroup isn't for discussing the various merits of
either of those two choices, or others you might have.
It's for discussions between the ISPs themselves.

Bueller555

2006-07-08 02:19:07 UTC

Not to offend anyone, but I guess my original question was where did
all the discussion go and where can I find it? Is there another board
for Hawaii Internet discussion or is that since the Hawaii broadband
market is essentially a two horse race, folks don't feel the need to
post very much?

Post by Alohacyberian

Post by Bueller555
Chatter here has died almost completely. Where else can I go to
futilely discuss the only choices, Oceanic and Hawaiian Tel?

Technically, this newsgroup isn't for discussing the various merits of
either of those two choices, or others you might have.
It's for discussions between the ISPs themselves.

Well, if it were overflowing with contributions and the readers didn't have
time to read the volume of posts, I could see one standing on
technicalities. But, that doesn't seem to be the case. The newsgroup seems
to be a basket case heading for becoming a casket case. I don't see the
harm in a few technically unwanted posts here even if it does offend the
more technically anal. KM
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Jason Forester

2006-07-08 03:55:19 UTC

Post by Bueller555
Not to offend anyone, but I guess my original question was where did
all the discussion go and where can I find it? Is there another board
for Hawaii Internet discussion or is that since the Hawaii broadband
market is essentially a two horse race, folks don't feel the need to
post very much?

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER

yes, that's basically it. The only discussion would be 'how are local ISPs
getting screwed today,' not a lot of places to go with that one.

- jason

Bueller555

2006-07-21 18:40:14 UTC

This should be interesting as it develops.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jul/20/bz/FP607200314.html

NoNoBadDog!

2006-08-17 09:16:29 UTC